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Anglo-Saxon Discussion / Re: Anglo Saxon Costume - From the ground up.
« on: August 15, 2010, 11:41:41 AM »
Having read this and saved the .pdf to my PC I whole heartedly agree. Anyone looking at my thread and feeling they don't know the first thing about AS costume should definitely start here.

They may then also wish to visit the Regia Anglorum site, go into articles and read the following; Braid weaving, Embroidery techniques, Textiles and finally Wool and Stuff. Also in the members area (which is open for all to see) there are several Online Handbooks, One called Basic Clothing, and another called Saxons. When you get to page 22 of 40 it picks up discussing costume of the different social classes and also what patterns may have been used for different practical reasons.

Less extensive is also the Basic Kit Guide to be found in the resources section under guides on The Vikings society site.

Once armed with such a wealth of knowledge people may then wish to use the discussion forum for discussion in order to develop understanding through sharing interpretations or perceptions gained from personal expierience.

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General Discussion / Re: Hræfneshwisprung
« on: August 13, 2010, 02:00:20 PM »
I like both the idea and sound of Hræfneshwisprung.

In response to the question; Is it accesable to newcomers? I'm of the understanding that if they have a Withowinde to hand they've either already paid their membership or been lent a copy after expressing an interest to an existing member. In which case it's mostly a technicality.

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Anglo-Saxon Discussion / Re: Hearth fire
« on: August 13, 2010, 01:44:32 PM »
Reading through the information provided on the main website under: Education- Farmsteads, villages and Towns, I found it suggested that there may have been an "upstairs" in AS houses. If genuine AS houses did indeed form smoke ceilings as discussed above then any upstairs space would have to be for storage only as the smoke levels up there would surely lead to a far longer sleep then was intended by anyone resting up there.

This also brings me back to the point of smoking meats in the rafters also mentioned above. As smoking/drying foods could be done effectively in the rafters of any family’s house it could be seen to be a waste of time, effort and resources, to erect a building for the sole purpose of smoking foods.

It seems likely to me that villages would have used such a building. If you were willing to build it and use the extra fuel, something that would be fairly little effort for a cooperative community, it would allow for different types of wood to be used to give different flavoured foods. Also putting the emphasis more on the smoking process, rather than just the drying, it would allow for smoky woods to be used which families would avoid in the home.

The dry atmosphere might also be ideal as a log store for the several hearths of the village. So long as they didn’t all take and burn the next years food and fuel stores down in one.

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General Discussion / Re: What's Everyone Reading?
« on: August 13, 2010, 08:45:26 AM »
I'm currently reading "Northanhymbre Saga - The History of the Anglo Saxon KIngs Of Northumbria" by John Marsden, although since I started it I've also read Bernard Cornwall's "The Burning Land" and Kathleen Herbert's "Peace-Weavers & Shield-Maidens Women in Early English Society". Unfortunately such entertaining reading is out of necessity giving way to the likes of "Effective Teaching in Schools" and "Essential Teaching Skills". If anyone finds a cure for this "real world" please do let me know.

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Anglo-Saxon Discussion / Re: Anglo Saxon Costume - From the ground up.
« on: August 11, 2010, 05:33:57 PM »
Many thanks I shall definitely look into those.

In the mean time I still welcome people's opinions...

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General Discussion / Re: Norman b........illionaire..............s
« on: August 11, 2010, 04:26:59 PM »
Indeed, the same emphatic sense is used in the west country!

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Anglo-Saxon Discussion / Re: Anglo Saxon Costume - From the ground up.
« on: August 11, 2010, 03:05:27 PM »
Come on folks no need to be shy, somebody must know something about AS costume, maybe a bone to pick over stereotypical representations, some glaring mistake in the above description... anything?

Well a point that's come to my attention is the appearance of knee length items that seem to occur on some manuscripts (any pictures of these would be greatly appreciated).

Brief discussion last night came up with the idea of them being gaiter type pieces of cloth wrapped round and bound with garters to the lower leg, or.... knee length stockings, possibly footed. Both of these options seem plausable but both raise the question; were any braes or other clothes worn on the upper leg?

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General Discussion / Re: Norman b........illionaire..............s
« on: August 11, 2010, 02:51:40 PM »
As usual the thread drifts from initial topic, no complaint it just entertains me.

As you may have guessed I saw fit to buy the book, so you have my support. Some of my friends with next to no knowledge of the AS period and nothing but what I've muttered about Old English found it very interesting. They certainly seemed to like the concept of a more english common tongue aproach, with fewer of the fancy latin words.

"Muckle" (micle) -  instead of "very"

In the West Country "Gert" seems to be a commonly used alternative.

Holding on to dialect words like these is something that deserves reasonable effort just for what they are. Well that's my feeling anyway.

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General Discussion / Re: Norman b........illionaire..............s
« on: August 11, 2010, 10:58:38 AM »
Eala,
You would find me a great forespeaker of such wending of our speech... I am terribly aware of how easily people adopt words that they hear when they are used naturally. Herein lies the problem, anyone attempting to use englisc words would have to be comfortable in their use and determined to carry on even though they may be questioned on the manner of their speaking and the meaning of the words.

As for Oxford Dictionary as I understand it they have a strong policy of only admitting words that have been in use for a long time and that are still used, and adding new words only after they are determined to have come into common usage. This is something that in the modern age where there are so many cultural influences adding new words and words come and go overnight as fashions change is I feel necessary.

Wesaþ ge eal hal.

Wulfric.

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Anglo-Saxon Discussion / Re: Anglo Saxon Costume - From the ground up.
« on: August 09, 2010, 03:34:30 PM »
Saxon Thegn 10th Century.

My costume concept so far is:
•Leather ankle boots in the turn shoe style with bone toggles.
•Naalbinding socks.
•Woollen hose, from ankle to upper leg single leg style. (dark charcoal)
•Woolen winningas. In the puttee style with herringbone weave.
•Woollen braes. These currently stop just below the knee where they are well inside the hose and about the same level as the top of the winningas. (currently, black, maroon and grey)
•Linen under tunic with close fitting coughs and keyhole neck. It also has slits up the sides of the legs which allow freedom of movement. (white)
•Woolen over tunic same pattern as under tunic. (madder red).
•Leather belt, thin, buckling toward left hip with dangling belt end.
•Sheathed seax slung from belt across front of body.
•Sword in scabbard hanging from belt left of body.
•Cloak over all, likely pattern needed.

Advice on saxon style jewellery and clothing decorations would be very much appreciated.

My clothes so far are entirely made of wool or linen and I would very much like for them to all be of realistic colours for the dyeing processes at the time.

My first questions are;
•Are braes and single leg hose accurate for this period or are they a later style?
•Were winningas always in the puttee style or could they be a rectangular piece of cloth wrapped round and tied in place?
•Ought the slit of the keyhole be laced up?

Please ask any questions of the kit. Someone else may have to answer them as I don’t have many answers and that is why I’m asking for help. :)

Wulfric.

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Anglo-Saxon Discussion / Anglo Saxon Costume - From the ground up.
« on: August 09, 2010, 02:41:50 PM »
Dear All,

I am starting this thread in an effort to create a costume for living history which is as accurate as can be assembled. To do this I wil need peoples ideas and opinions whether they are based on hard academic research or or other valuable expierience. I invite all constructive comments and suggestions as any relevant comment could open discussion which proves beneficial.

My primary goal is to produce a costume for a Saxon thegn (that is of southern England) of the 10th Century. As this is one of the most commonly reenacted periods one might assume that this should be easy however I don't want a costume that is the result of generally accepted stereotypes. I want a costume that when asked about any part of it I can reference the evidence that allowed it to be included. Though if these turn out to be the same everyones efforts will not have been wasted as at least I hope everyone involved will benefit for the knowledge shared.

While I have my own primary goal I also invite anyone who cares to to do the same for any other Anglo-Saxon costume concept no matter what social standing, era or gender. I only ask that to avoid confusion any posts are clearly labelled with the costume concept they are relevant to.


Thanks in advance for all of your help.

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Anglo-Saxon Discussion / Re: Hearth fire
« on: August 05, 2010, 12:15:59 AM »
The chap I was speaking to had been involved in the designing of the roundhouses, he said they had taken care to manage the thickness of the thatch at different levels. The thatch was thinner at the very top and thickened lower down this is allows smoke to pass out at the top with relative ease.

I might also suggest that the walls are more solid. Said speaker was proud that the houses had a very small range of disturbance of air within the house, no more then a few feet from even with an open door. Air passing through the sometimes large gaps in the wall at west stowe would allow for significant disturbance and perhaps prevent the stillness of air required for a smoke ceiling to occur. This is my own hypothesis based on my own feeling that AS houses even for peasants would probably have been more skillfully constructed then the reconstructions at West Stowe.

I shall see if I can contact the bloke and ask him directly.

Wulfric.

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Anglo-Saxon Discussion / Re: Hearth fire
« on: August 04, 2010, 05:20:01 PM »
Eala,

Having recently slept a night in one of the smaller reconstructed round houses at Butser Farm where we lit a small fire to warm us at night I saw beautifully the effect of having a small opening over the door.

I am a little over six foot tall and the bottom of the roof and top of the door was a little lower than my head. when I stood upright after the fire had been going for a while and found my head was in the "smoke ceiling" below this level there was barely any noticable smoke, yet the house was warmed very effectively.

One of the volunteers at the site had told us earlier that even in the largest round house in winter a modest fire for will make everything in the house warm to the touch within 24hrs.

Hope this is useful.

Wulfric

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