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Old English Language / Feminine nouns
« Last post by David on February 17, 2019, 12:20:35 PM »
For a long time, I have been worried about the accusative endings in both the singular and the plural of strong feminine nouns. On investigating it looks as though in nearly all the declensions the singular accusative can either have no ending or an -e ending and the nominative and accusative plural can have either an -a ending or an -e ending.

The exceptions are the with i-mutation, so that
Bōc is always bēċ in the accusative singular and the nominative and accusative plurals.
Sweostor usually remains the same in all three cases, although it can have an -a (or rarely a -u) in the nominative and accusative plural.
Dohtor can stay the same in all three cases or it can have an -a ending in the plural.
Mōdor stays the same in the singular but has an -a or -u ending in the plural.
In the plural of sweostor, dohtor and mōdor  the second “o” is normally dropped if there is an ending e.g. dohtra and mōdru.

Can anyone tell us more about this?
General Discussion / Re: Sutton Hoo
« Last post by Eanflaed on February 02, 2019, 08:03:26 PM »
That’s great Sigurd! See my post on Sutton Hoo with Martin Carver :)
General Discussion / Re: Sutton Hoo
« Last post by Sigurd on February 02, 2019, 07:25:56 PM »
I can make this event, looking forward to it
News & Events / Re: Sutton Hoo with Martin Carver
« Last post by Linden on February 01, 2019, 11:01:01 AM »
This is the link to the organisation building the replica ship

....... and this is the link to the Woodbridge site where it is being built
News & Events / Re: Sutton Hoo with Martin Carver
« Last post by David on February 01, 2019, 08:29:06 AM »
Jenny has done so well to make this happen.

Martin Carver is not charging us a fee, only expenses.

Sutton Hoo are not charging us.

It is important that you come and make this a success we can build on. It is not too far. Jenny and Martin will be travelling further than nearly all of us to attend.
News & Events / Sutton Hoo with Martin Carver
« Last post by Eanflaed on January 31, 2019, 09:50:57 AM »
You are warmly invited to a leornungdæg with Martin Carver on Saturday 1st June at Sutton Hoo! We will meet at 10.30am at the Visitor Centre at Sutton Hoo and Martin will give us a guided tour of the Anglo-Saxon burial mounds and will then show us round the new display at the museum in the Visitor Centre. After lunch at the Centre (not included in price), we will reconvene at 2.30pm at the Longshed, Woodbridge, where the Sutton Hoo Ship’s Company are about to build a full-scale replica of the AS ship discovered in Mound 1. Here Martin will deliver his lecture entitled “Sutton Hoo and its neighbours: journeys by ship and connections in the mind”. We expect to disperse about 4pm. Cost per person: £12. Please contact Jenny Ashby, , for details and how to pay.

Martin Carver is Professor Emeritus of Archaeology at the University of York and Director of Research at Sutton Hoo. He is an ex army officer who was professor of archaeology at York until 2008. He has been Director of Research at Sutton Hoo since 1983.

A more detailed advert for this day should appear in the next issue of Withowinde, but if you want to book early just contact Jenny (Eanflæd) :)
General Discussion / Re: Anglo Saxon Kingdoms at the British Library
« Last post by Eanflaed on January 29, 2019, 05:41:51 PM »
I was glad you took a while in the Exhibition Bowerthane - it gave me an excuse to go back in! It took me ages to find you as I kept being sidelined (just wanted another gawp at the Book of Durrow, Winfarthing Pendant, etc!) :) . I went in for a third time just before we left - that time the guys on the entrance didn’t even bother to check my ticket!!!

Yes I’ve received the follow-up email, which I thought was a really nice touch and I’m keeping it for future reference!

It was really nice that you came Bowerthane, wouldn’t have been the same without you. Hope your lurgy is better (I developed a bit of a sniffle too, must be the London air!).
General Discussion / Re: Anglo Saxon Kingdoms at the British Library
« Last post by Bowerthane on January 29, 2019, 02:51:22 PM »
Crumbs, hello again everybody.  First I was smitten by a pig of a cold/ something bronchial/ flu-like or whatever, then I lost my new password.

So now I am especially pleased I had a wonderful weekend in London with some special friends to look back upon, as that cough-and-cold-and-whatever blighted my birthday a treat.

I wanted to say: I hope I wasn’t the cause of any real flap.  Was I really that long?  Maybe that artist woman and I got thicker than I thought.  Artists all talk the same shop and we know it bores the ears off everyone else.

That, and: NICE seeing you too, David!  Another name-cum-photograph who has turned into a real person for me..!

Also, has everyone else received that follow-up email from the British Library?

General Discussion / Re: What's Everyone Reading?
« Last post by David on January 23, 2019, 05:01:36 PM »
I have been reading The Horse The Wheel and Language for years. The first 20% of the book is excellent. It talks about the family of Indo-European languages and why we think there was an original Proto-Indo-European language.  It even goes into linguistic evidence to where those people lived. The remaining 80% is all about the archaeology differentiating the Indo European and their non Indo European neighbours in different times and places.

If you want to go deeper into the language there are a couple of books I could recommend. These are The American Heritage Dictionary of Indo-European Roots by Calvert Watkins and From Proto-Indo-European to Proto-Germanic by Don Ringe.

The American Heritage Dictionary of Indo-European Roots is about vocabulary thought to be derived from a Proto-Indo-European language. It starts with a discussion of Indo-European languages and how to reconstruct the proto-language. This is followed by a dictionary of suggested Proto- Indo-European words which give the words and the words they developed to in daughter languages and then into modern languages. This is followed by a list of modern words, giving the Proto-Indo-European word it came from. So you can look up a word in the last section to find the Proto-Indo-European root. Then look up the root to find how it and its cognates developed into the modern words.

Ringe’s book gives his suggested grammar of Proto-Indo-European, declining and conjugating the words. He then suggests how these words changed to form the suggested Proto-Germanic words and then gives his suggested declining and conjugating of these words. This is very heavy going. This is volume 1 of Ringe’s A Linguistic History of English. He has since volume 2 called The development of Old English which takes us from Proto-Germanic to late Old English.
General Discussion / Re: What's Everyone Reading?
« Last post by Phyllis on January 22, 2019, 08:22:27 PM »
So my next question is: has anyone read The Horse, the Wheel, and Language: How Bronze-Age Riders from the Eurasian Steppes Shaped the Modern World by David Anthony?

It's recommended on Kevin Stroud's excellent podcast on the History of English (language) and I am seriously tempted.

I know it's a bit previous, but I am trying to get to grips with Proto-Indo-European and the development of Old English, thanks to David's gems over the last couple of years, and it's fascinating. Well, it's either that or start learning Old Norse.
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