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General Discussion / Back issues of Withowinde
« Last post by Eanflaed on February 23, 2022, 05:39:27 PM »
If anyone would like any back copies of Withowinde (going back to the 1990s), I know a gesiþ who is wanting to get rid of them for free. The “buyer” would have to collect from Bromsgrove, Worcs. They could be posted but it would cost a fortune...if you are interested, just message me and I’ll forward.
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General Discussion / Re: Berkshire warlord?
« Last post by Bowerthane on February 18, 2022, 08:21:36 PM »
Thanks for that, Blackdragon.


See what you mean about the devil-may-care syntax.








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The moral right of the author to identify the St Trinian's School Song as the SOE's terms of engagement has been asserted.
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Anglo-Saxon Discussion / Re: Alcoholic drinks of the Anglo Saxons
« Last post by Bowerthane on February 15, 2022, 08:09:38 PM »
Hello everyone.

Ive just exasperated myself googling round in circles failing to get straight, or even get much of a clue, as to what kind of high-energy drink was feasible for the Old English to concoct, with ingredients available to them.
 
 
So I’m hoping that a ġesīþa or two with better culinary, dietary or medical knowledge than I, because that shouldn’t be difficult, can suggest something.  It’s meant to give an overworked, underfed and downhearted slave of the Norsemen a boost about three nights before a rescue bid, and maybe help him bear up ( and keep up) if this is successful.  So it need not taste nice or be hot and it was not originally meant for children; but in the event, a few slave-children insist on coming along with this or that chap the rescuers actually came for, getting away with it because they’ll be too much noise and trouble ( or threaten to make too much noise and trouble) if they’re left behind.
 
 
( I was thinking of the Bengal famine mix, a high-protein gruel we flew in from Bengal to treat concentration camp inmates immediately after the liberation of Belsen.  That was a high-protein gruel made easy to digest, and the female lead in my kiddies’ book is quite clever enough to think of something similar for these slaves she, Lord Athelred of Mercia and King Edward the Elder want rescuing. But only with ingredients and cooking methods likely to be available to her in early tenth-century Mercia.)
 
 
Would anything like a beef broth with eggs and nutmeg stirred in be a step in the right direction, or am I just betraying my bachelor cooking skills?

Clues anyone?



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Anglo-Saxon Discussion / Re: AS Christian contacts with Sinai
« Last post by Phyllis on February 09, 2022, 05:07:31 PM »
It is so frustrating isn't it that what has been discovered so far simply underlines how much is lost ...

I am becoming quite fond of the Goths to be honest, and while Wulfila still gets credit for the Bible and therefore the script itself, that of course doesn't mean he HAS to have invented it entirely or partially. I mean Beded keeps getting credit for AD numberign and I believe that was really Isidore of Seville - and we even have those documents!

Who knows what may have happened down a different trouser leg of time?
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Anglo-Saxon Discussion / Re: AS Christian contacts with Sinai
« Last post by Bowerthane on February 05, 2022, 03:52:32 AM »
Crivens, don’t tell me me you, too, have developed a bit of curiosity and defensiveness about the Goths, Phyllis?
 
 
I’ve certainly found out what Professor Tolkien meant about “the tragic history of the Visigoths” and how ironic it was that, in Iberia, they should end up as the last bearers of a form of civilisation that did nothing but abuse them horrendously.  As for the Ostrogoths, I wish we knew more about Queen Amalasuintha.  Ostrogothic bibles washed up in Carolingian Gaul contemporary with King Alfred the Great so, although there is no direct evidence, these could be amongst what King Alfred had in mind when he wrote of how “all the Christian peoples turned some part of them into their own language”.  In my Alfred the Great companion ( Penguin Classics ISBN 0-14-04409-2 1986) Simon Keynes doubted this in favour of the German Diatessarion but I can’t help wonder how much more Gothic-language material survived then than has, since. 
 
 
Anything that sheds more light on the Goths popping up at St Catherine’s would please me.
 
 
Or anything else!  During one of the breaks in that AethelFest conference in 2018 in Tamworth I got chatty enough with Vanessa King, one of the lady scholars who delivered a lecture, to ask her what she thought could, or what she hoped might, come to light there.  “Q,” she quipped.  With a certain alacrity.  “... Well,” I breathed, struggling to get my breath back, “that... that would be a turn up for the books, wouldn’t it?” Who’d need palaeography or MSI?  We'd hear the sh*t hitting the fan from here!
 
 
As it is, even those scrolls from Herculaneum look like holding out on us for a while yet, maybe forever.  No chance of the Stoic version of Polis being recovered, so we’re still stuck with everyone thinking Plato’s Republic is the one and only even though the Stoics were the first to launch the idea of a Brotherhood of Man at least 200 years before the birth of Christ. Seriously because there is so much historical accident to which texts have survived, and like scientififc phrenology this has shaped the Western mind.  Just about any lost, but big-hitting scientific, philosophical etc. tract from Herculaneum could have revolutionary implications. 
 
 
 
 
 So... that’s me off to cry...
 
 


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Anglo-Saxon Discussion / Re: AS Christian contacts with Sinai
« Last post by Phyllis on January 29, 2022, 03:05:01 PM »
Wonder if there's an Ostrogothic version of the Book of Enoch/ any book of Enoch waiting to be discovered in St Catherine's monastery?  In Gothic even, though I'd settle for Latin.

I suppose that given we only have Wulfila's Bible, and he didn't include Enoch (as far as I know), we may be hoping in vain. I would imagine any copy would by definition be later than his as he "invented" the script? I think I have that right?
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Anglo-Saxon Discussion / Re: AS Christian contacts with Sinai
« Last post by Bowerthane on January 27, 2022, 07:18:45 PM »
Wonder if there's an Ostrogothic version of the Book of Enoch/ any book of Enoch waiting to be discovered in St Catherine's monastery?  In Gothic even, though I'd settle for Latin.


What would the Ostrogoths, or Queen Amalaswintha herself, have made of the War in Heaven and the rebel angels making touchdown on Mount Hermon, dare we wonder?



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Anglo-Saxon Discussion / Re: AS Christian contacts with Sinai
« Last post by Bowerthane on January 27, 2022, 07:10:26 AM »



Anybody else miss this?

ndsmcobserver.com/2021/10/arthurian-manuscripts




I did.  I was googling to see if anything new from the Sinai Project had got past me, to find that there's no news ( that I can find).  I don't know whether to hope or fear this is due to the Chinese Coronavirus pandemic.  Whether it's the news that's been disrupted or the project, itself.


I could find nothing about the Herculaneum scrolls either.  But there's lots of googling tricks I don't know, so good luck those who do.





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